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338rum or 450 marlin?

I'm going on a black bear hunt in Alberta and can't decide on what to use. I already have the 338 but have had my eye on a 450 marlin for same time now.And besides one can never have enough toys(guns).Would the 338 be an over kill at 20 yrds. Thanks for any input. BBB

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Either one would be fine but since you already have the 338 RUM I'll say 450 marlin just so you have to buy a new toy. Wink

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338rum or 450 marlin?

HEY CHESTER, I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!!! I WAS MORE THEN LIKELY GOING TO BUY THE 450 ANYWAY.NOW IF I CAN FIND HE MODEL I WANT. AROUND HERE ALL THEY HAVE IS THE MARLIN 1895 GUIDE GUN. I WANT THE FULL SIZE ONE. THANKS FOR THE REPLY. BBB

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338rum or 450 marlin?

I like the .450 Marlin here. Nothing wrong with packing some serious power when pursuing something that can easily tear your face off if it wants to. Nice big fat hunk of lead. It'll smash and stop anything at close range (and many longer ranges). And it's designed for close range, fast-cycling shooting. Of course, anything hit with the .450 would probably fold on the first shot anyway. And there's nothing wrong with a new...ah...investment.

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Mister V., Yes the 450 with a 350 gr. slug is a serious hunk of lead but the 338RUM with a 250 gr. A-Frame zipping along at around 3000 fps.and 4500 ft. lbs. is no slouch either. I still have some time to decide, but what ever one I pick the bear is in for a world of hurt. Thanks for your reply. BBB

[ This Message was edited by: BLACKBEARBRAD on 2004-03-25 23:22 ]

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Mister V. I see your from Wisconsin. Where do you live at? I go up to Hayward 2-3 times a year musky hunting.

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Taylor county. Southeast of Hayward a couple counties. I'm not saying the .338 won't kill it, I just think that the .338 is not designed to dump all its energy into a black bear at 20 yards. A 250 grain .338 bullet is more than likely designed for delayed, controlled expansion, and especially at such high speed, that bullet may be through the bear before it really expands and dumps energy, whereas the .450 will dump most of its energy while in the bear. The design of the .450 Marlin is better for the situation. Both the action and rifle and the cartridge.
Of course, around here, most people have no trouble using .30-06s and .308s, but in general the bears are smaller, although some taken around here have gone over 500 lbs.
Either way you'd be fine...and have a new toy!
I once helped a buddy track a wounded one through a thick stand of cedars...with nothing but a .357. Coulda used that .450 then! We could hear it moaning and going around us. A little unnerving.

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Mister V. want you said about a 338 going so fast at such a close shot sounds logical to me. It would more then likely just blow right on through without much mushrooming. And that part about tracking a wounded bear with a 357 or any other weapon for that matter sounds scary to me. Did you find it? BBB

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338rum or 450 marlin?

No, when it started circling us and the moaning switched to growling and getting closer, we got the heck out of there. (try running through a tag alder swamp at night...) Never did find it. Must've been hit pretty lightly. Looked for a few days. It covered a lot of ground with very little blood. Found out later he used a 45 lb. bow and hit it bad. Why, I don't know. We were not happy with him AT ALL.

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Maybe he's still around, but more likely there's just different ones now, because last fall, a blackie ripped up my Dad's deer blind, then it broke off an apple tree. There were pretty good claw marks on the wood of the blind. Tree was 6" in diameter where it was snapped. We've had a few instances of bears that are unafraid around here. I don't go back there without some sort of firearm now, at least a 10mm with potent rounds. Of course, there's wolves now too!

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338rum or 450 marlin?

Mr. V. it sounds like you have some fairly nasty bears in your part of Wisconsin! Is there many of them around? I've heard that there were wolves in Wisconsin but I fiqured they were only around the bigger national forests. Is there a large and huntable population of them? BBB

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