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30 06 round for bear

Hey all, I am being given a 30-06 pump action that I intend to use for bear defense (and bear defense only - not hunting)while backwoods hiking and fishing. I know that 30-06 isn't the most desirable bear gun, but it is what I have, and it is free, and I can make modifications to it as needed.

I have been wondering what bullet would be the optimum for htis purpose. I do not reload and use only factory ammo, most often Remington. Bullets that I am considering are the 220 gr. soft point as as it is heavy for caliber. But I am wondering if I would be better off with a pointed 180 gr, specifically the 180 gr partioned bullet.

My thinking is that the 220 gr is desirable because it is big and would (hopefully) do lots of damage, but I wonder if hte 180 gr partitioned bullet wouldn't be better as it would have better penetration and as a result be more effective at stopping the bear

Thanks for any advice, I look forward to all of your opinions and thoughts.

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The 30-06 was originally developed with 220 gr bullets at, I believe, 2400fps.

If it's strictly for defense. We're talking the distances, it will be used, are measured in feet rather than yds.
When you get the rifle.
Have the stock fit to you.
Lop and crown the barrel to 20"
Have iron sights installed.
Trim the stock down to lighten the overall weight.
Don't buy any factory loads.
Find someone that reloads, as a business.
Winchester brass. Full length resize.
WLR primers
A stiff load of RL 15 or W 760
220 gr Nosler Semi-Spitzer Partitions
That load will make him think about it before he gets back up. Just keep shooting.

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if ur carrying a firearm for close range defense i would invest in a handgun,carrying a rifle all day when you will probably never need it will get very old real quik,a 357 mag at close range would be more affective,considering you have 6 quik shots instead of 1 or 2 ull get off with a rifle if a bear did charge.

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I second the "220 gr Nosler Semi-Spitzer Partitions" and recommend them over 220-gr. Core Lokts.

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Thanks for the input, I will look into finding someone who can load something like that for me. Also, remember I am using hte rifle because it is free, so buying a handgun is not an option (thanks though, I have thought about it already).
But what do you think about my original question concerning the two rounds I mentioned. What would you chose?

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Frankly, in bear country, I would prefer to carry a canister of pepper spray than a .30-06 rifle.

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Lopping the barrel to 20" changes the burn rate for optimal usage. A faster powder will burn more efficiently. A factory load of 4831 or 4350, as an example, will not completely burn. Hence, muzzle blast and flash out the barrel.
Then again, the flash and blast may be all it takes.
Factory loads are fine. At close ranges, measured in feet, the 220 would be a Thor's hammer. The 180's will have more muzzle energy but, the 220 with 22% more weight will be more effective as a stopper.

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fuzzybear:

What rate of burn or type of powders are usually best in a 30-06 semi-auto Browning BAR with 22" barrel?

Same question for a 30-06 Remington 700 Stainless SPS with 24" tube?

Steve

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I like
Varget
H 414
H 4350
H 4831
Rl 15
RL 19
RL 22
Any powder in that burn range will work.
Lighter bullets, faster powder.
Heavier bullets, slower powder.
When I'm loading for hunting. I like to use a powder that fills the case to at least 90%

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I think the 30-06 with 220 gr is morwe than enough for bear, But It would be very strenuous to carry a rifle all day hiking if you do not see a bear.I personnaly would suggest a hand gun preferably in 44mag.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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30 06 round for bear

I would have to say, I agree with these guys. A 30-06 loaded with a 220 grain bullet, will hit that bear like a sledge hammer.

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