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Don, it's an interesting point and I don't think it would catch on either. It would be tough to compete with the 308 or the WSM series from a rational point of view. It survives just because of nostalgia right now. I'm not saying it doesn't do its job (I've shot plenty of game with it) but it wouldn't get a foothold today.

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damage

Can someone tell me what damage the 300 wsm can do to a moose

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It will kill it!!! neener!

The 300 WSM is an excellent round for moose with 180 gr. bullets. As to damage, it depends where you hit it. Rib cage/ boiler room shots have very little meat damage.

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mmmmm dead moose.

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I would hate to make a bet one way or the other. It seems the trend is short action or speed, or both. BUT,,,,,,,
The 30-06 still leads ammo sales however, second only to the 22 LR. This is likely due to the fact that there are a lot of current rifles out there. Last time I looked it still in the top 5 for die sales, possibly reflecting new sales are still strong. In my opinion for normal hunting ranges, it's hard to beat for an all-pupose round.

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The advantage the 30-06 has over the tried and true 308, my favorite, and the 300wsm, another favorite, is in the larger than 180gr projectiles.
With the innovation of the newer "premium bullets" and the development of some of the newer powders (hand loaders). The weight retention is greater. The burn rates are better. Just have to pick the right bullet and powder. You don't need the larger projectiles.
Lighter bullets. Shorter cases. Less powder. Comparable or equal performance.

My personnel opinion. I think these recent innovations in bullet design and short case configuration are the cats meow.

I'll probably always have a 30-06 or two in the cabinet. They are not my go to guns but, they'll always be great for those heavy projectiles and up close and personal hunts.

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OK here's one for YA !
If you had all the bullets(boat-tail,ballistic tip, partition etc) available back in the days the 30.06 was first popular, lets say 1906- 1940 or thereaouts and todays powders, and of course the superior optics of today ?? what would still be on the market and what would just be in someones vision.
With todays technology back in the early 1900, I don't think the 06 could be beat, hell it'sstill hard to compete with it now

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Hammer1 wrote:
OK here's one for YA !
If you had all the bullets(boat-tail,ballistic tip, partition etc) available back in the days the 30.06 was first popular, lets say 1906- 1940 or thereaouts and todays powders, and of course the superior optics of today ?? what would still be on the market and what would just be in someones vision.
With todays technology back in the early 1900, I don't think the 06 could be beat, hell it'sstill hard to compete with it now

Well here's how I look at it,,,, with the advent of the magnums was for the most part for extra range. More power wasn't the goal. If one needed more energy, they went to a larger caliber.
After WII when travel and hunting became more prevalent and became more affordable for the common person, time was more the limiting factor. So people traveling long distances for hunting for more like a 3-5 day hunt rather than a 10-14 day or even longer of the previous era. Stalking takes time, and they wanted a round that might help eliminate some stalking or save time.
For my style of hunting, I don't need the speed of the mags, I still like to stalk fairly close.
And I agree, it's (06) hard to beat, and as fuzzybear said with premium bullets more so. Really in my mind, you can take the 08 or 06 loaded with the 150gr. either e-tip or tsx and not need any other load cept for the largest bears and maybe the AK/Yukon moose. Then I would look at at 180's.
If you don't intend to exceed 3-400 yds, you simply don't need a magnum, imho.
Dave

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The '06 is an outstanding round. All I ever used with 180gr Core Loks. Remington's green and yellow box. It's popularity is without a doubt deserving of it's capability.
As was said earlier in the thread. Availability also had a lot to do with it's popularity. There were scores of surplus weapons. Truck loads of cases, primers and powder available to the public. What better to build a hunting weapon from or experiment on new rounds.

The new bullet designs, powders(?a bit) have also improved the 30-06.
All things considered. With the performance I can get out of the 308. I don't need a 30-06 and with the performance I can get out of the 300wsm. I don't need a 300wm.
I can settle on 2 short cased, short action rounds with lighter "premium bullets" and more efficiently burning powders and get all the performance I need.