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2nd Season Rifle- Questions? Advice/ Predictions on weather ect.

Hello everyone! I have my 2nd season rifle tag and have not once hunted a big game species. Born and mostly raised here in Colorado, not new to the wilderness/ outdoors. Recently moved back here and go to school using the GI Bill (Marine vet). I wanted to hunt last year but it never materialized and this year I can finally make this happen. I originally scouted the areas around white river national forest and the areas south of Green Mountain Res. Thought I was all set for the 19th but now I'm having second thoughts. I'm prepared to be out for the entire week if I need to be and fully capable of covering miles on end each day if I have to but a concern I now have is the early predictions for snow in the next week. If anyone has any experience with these areas and in particular experience with hunting Elk during an early snow and their movements and could share some of that knowledge with me it would be greatly appreciated!!!! Also, I have thought about scoping out the units surrounding San Juan (convinced wife to give me the next two weeks more or less free from all obligations to set up for this hunt!) Thanks and I look forward to learning from all of you out there!

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Welcome to the sight. The snow will actually be a good thing for you if it happens. With heavy snow in the back country big game will move to lower elevations making access to them easier. Snow also makes tracking easier and if you see tracks right after a fresh snow you know the track is fresh and that there is elk in the area. It also makes big game stound out a little better. You'll still need to find those feeding areas that they will be using but the elk will move out of the back country and be more concentrated in the lower elevations. They will also start hitting the open sunny parks on hillsides more often for grass and sun bathing. Hopefully you have a hunting partner and know how to take care of an animal when you get one. If not make sure you watch some videos on how to do it. Hope this helps. I'm sure some of the other guys on here will have some great advice for you.

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Thanks for the words of advice! Just will have to pray that if it does snow I can down and Elk before it sneaks into all the private property in the valleys below. Yes I do have a hunting partner- same boat- greenhorn with elk. We will share a campsite but will hunt alone each day periodically using two way radios to communicate back and forth with reports. I have butchered a cow (farm cow) and watched a few extra D.O.W. videos on how to quarter and skin. I have also read the dow's Elk University front to back, and back to front finding the new mapping feature to be very helpful! Thanks gain for your advice! Know anything about south eastern areas that might prove fruitful for 2nd?

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Welcome to the sight and good

Welcome to the sight and good luck. One word of caution with the radios, read page 13 of the Big Game book as using those during hunting might get you in trouble.

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Thanks SGM- yup I should be just fine as far as the rules go. I asked a game warden about it and he says those laws in the Big Game book #19 and #20, are meant to deter people from so called "pushing" the game animals towards the hunter. In our case the radios are only going to be used for a safety check in a few times a day with one another. Besides our hunting areas are a good few miles away from eachother. A warden would be hard pressed citing me for simply possessing a radio- just about as likely to cite me for a radio as he would be to cite me for having a cell phone on me I would think- but if anyone knows where this wasn't the case I would defintely love to hear/ know about it for future reference.

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OK, just wanted you to be

OK, just wanted you to be aware so you do not have any issues that could mess up your hunt. Good luck.

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SGM wrote:
Welcome to the sight and good luck. One word of caution with the radios, read page 13 of the Big Game book as using those during hunting might get you in trouble.

 

Go ahead and use the radios, hundreds if not thousands are doing it every season here in Colorado.  As long as you are not using them to communicate information that violates any wildlife law or regulations.  So if you are even using them to tell your buddy that you have found a animal that he would like to shoot they are legal.  Now if you are telling your buddy that the division officier just checked you out and that he better hide his full auto AK-47 then that would be illeagle. 

Even keeping track of each other as you are doing a drive through timber to push the elk or deer out would be fine since that activitey is not against the law.

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Sorry, never hunted down south. I do have another recommendation for you on your hunt though. Why are you and your partner hunting apart? Your odds are much better for both of you if you work areas together. Many times one will spook elk to the other and vice versa. I would think about it. Your odds increase greatly. I always like to have some one set up on one side of a draw to shoot(make sure you have a good rest and are prepared to shoot 300 to 400 yards), while the other pushes a patch or a ridge. You can take turns on who sits and pushes. I've seen a lot of elk killed this way. Try to guess where the elk are going to go and one of you needs to be there to catch them when they come out. There will be less bugeling and elk talk going on by the time your hunt starts so you can't realy on it. You'll have to push and catch them out in the open areas.

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Push?

Thanks again Stiker! I don't know where I heard this- and I skimmed through the Big Game Manual just to be sure but I heard that "pushing" or walking" for big game in CO was illegal? When I lived in S.C. every deer hunter I talked to used that technique so I am familiar with it. Any clarifycation would be appreciated! Thanks again!

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I've only lived in CO for one year but as far as I know it's not illegal to have a pushing party for big game. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Colorado has a lot of crazy laws like -I can't collect rain water off my house. Why? because it doesn't belong to me of course!It's owned by the city, mother nature has nothing to do with it. :)- Still I haven't heard pushing game being against the rules. I would follow the advice you got on the radios and cordinate with your partner on pushes and increase your odds. Spot and stalk in the morning and do pushes in the middle of the day. Good luck.

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Welcome....

As far as as pushing the animals get in there and hike your azz off!! They at not Gona come find you so as long as your not on private property then probably ok. I like to have a good GPS and a topo for cross reference!! Ill also be hunting 2nd season!! Good luck brother!!

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