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280 vs. 30-06

30-06 150gr ENERGY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2820 2281 1827 1445

280 150gr ENERGY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2781 2293 1875 1518

30-06 150gr VELOCITY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2910 2617 2342 2083

280 150gr VELOCITY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2890 2624 2373 2135

The .280 outperforms the 06 hands down. So now whats the new all around rifle

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280 vs. 30-06

The .280 is an exciting new cartridge, but people who love the 30-06 will probably never give it a chance. In my opinion the .280 was not really necessary because the 7mm is roughly a .284 and very similar.

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280 vs. 30-06

I think the 280 will be an excellent round but with the HUGE selection of ammo for the 30-06, it is going to be hard to knock the king off his throne.

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280 vs. 30-06

The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. etc. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08.

In the 150gr. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in flight and better penitration. However, the last place that a reasonable compairison can be made is the 175gr. bullet in the .280 (otherwise knowen as the 7mm Remington Express) and the 180gr. .30-06.
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280 vs. 30-06

I'm sorry, but your ballistic comparison is not particularly accurate. You compared 150 grain bullets between the two. A 150 grain 7mm bullet is an entirely different entity from a .30 cal 150. They do not perform the same way, thus comparing the two means nothing. The sectional density, and thus the terminal performance, of the 280 150 grain would actually be closer to that of a 180 grain 30-06, making that comparison more valid.

The 175 grain bullet for the 280 is much more comparable to the 200 grain 30-06 bullet. Its sectional density is actually slightly higher.

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280 vs. 30-06

*** sarcasm on ***

What does it matter, like everybody knows its all about bullet placement. Yes

From this podium of wisdom the 22 short is a vastly underappreciated big game cartridge.

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The "best" cartridge discussions usually has more to do with whats in the safe or closet, rather than a rational discussion of ballistics. In other words, people tend to believe what is best based on what their family and friends have used and personal experience. From this perspective it will take more than a few ft*lbs or fps to unseat the king.

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280 vs. 30-06

For most game, these two calibers will perform the same.

The Captain is right in that you need to compare bullets with similar ballistic coefficients.

150-gr. in 280 Rem is more similar to 165-gr. or 180-gr. in 30-06. For deer with a 280 Rem, I'd suggest a slightly lighter bullet around 140-gr.

Furthermore, shot placement and bullet construction / weight is far more important than choice of caliber.

Also, had the 280 Rem been introduced a couple years earlier than the 270 Win, the roles may have been introduced with the 270 struggling to keep up with the 280 Rem, which is more superior to the 270 anyways.

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280 vs. 30-06

I will always be a fan and shooter of the .06. I just thought the two were pretty close in comparisons. And to captian these are not my comparisons. these are remington comparisons. I got these results off there sight , so question there accuracy. Shot placement is everything

By the way I got my first smoke pole kill this weekend with a 195 gr .45 caliber powerbelt bullet at 25 yds. Took out both shoulders and the deer was still able to run about 30yds.

I filled one of my tags, 2 more to go

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280 vs. 30-06

Ok, I seriously believe Remington's comparison is pitifully, painfully inaccurate!

.30 caliber 150 grain bullet has a sectional density of .226, and is designed for extremely fast expansion.

The 7mm 150 grain bullet has a sectional density of .266, and is designed for more controlled expasion after impact.

The ballistic facts here are these: the 150 grain .30 caliber bullet and the 150 grain .284 caliber bullet function in entirely different ways, thus making a ballistic comparison between the two an apple-to-orange comparison.

PS: Exactly where on Remington's site did you find such a comparison?