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Location: Stanley, ID
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270,280 or 30-06

It's a simple matter of numbers and experience. A 180 grain .30 caliber bullet is equal (almost) in SD to a 150 .270. Now, don't talk to me about diameter, because that only applies to bullets that don't mushroom much (solids, which most people don't use). Just taking a 180 vs 150, the 180 has....30 grains more to it. And thats it. In exchange for the extra 30 grains, it loses (on average) 150 fps and .08 to the SD.
So... to shoot something faster (read: less drop=less holdover=ease of accuracy) with slightly more penetration, that kicks noticeably less, you give up about .0685 oz of bullet. Sounds like a more than fair trade off.
The elk I killed 2 years ago with the .270 is just as dead as the elk I killed 5 years ago with a .300 win mag. I couldn't honestly say which one was a more humane kill, but I do think I was less anxious bringing a weapon to bear that was more comfortable to shoot.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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270,280 or 30-06

Fact: a 150 grain 270 bullet does not perform on lager-than-deer game the way a 180 grain .30 caliber bullet does. A 300 Winchester Magnum's 180 grain bullet will penetrate deeper, and hits considerably harder than a bullet of any weight from a 270.

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270,280 or 30-06

I'd like to elaborate on that: A 180 grain bullet from a 300 Winchester Magnum departs the muzzle, from a factory load, at 2960 fps, considerably faster than the 150 grain 270. What's more, the 300, with its 180 grain bullet, retains as much energy at 200 yards as the 270 gains at the muzzle. The 270 Weatherby Magnum generates more energy with a 150 grain bullet, but the 300 Win. Mag. still has a bit more punch. Even the high-energy loads for the 270 Winchester do not approach the 300. What it comes down to, plain and simple, is that you can play around with BCs and SDs all day and night, but the cold ballistic fact is that the 300 Win. Mag. is way more potent than a 270, delivers a lot more downrange energy, shoots flatter, and hits harder at any range.

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270,280,30-06

I personally love my 270 i hunted with a 30-06 for yrs and had no complaints.The only reason i left the 3006 was i got a great deal on my 270.You would never believe how many heated conversations you can start with this topic.I believe its not the bullet nor the caliber its all (shot placement!!)
my grandfather has killed a bunch of deer with a 22 caliber while squirrel hunting including a 165 5/8 10 pt with one shot.Im not saying everyone should try that but i am saying .i dont understand why anyone thinks they need a 7mm or a 300 mag for 3 reasons (A) recoil (B) Id like some meat left (C) I dont like toting a 10 pound cannon!!!

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Location: Dryden, Ontario
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270,280 or 30-06

OK not that the guy who started this Forum will see this, But shoot all three and make a judgement for yourself. I own a Remington 760 gamemaster 270win, and I have killed Moose, Deer, Antelope, and wolves . I have killed animals at close range with lots of damage and Long range with lots of animals. I prefer the 270 over the 06 the trajectory is close and the only diff is that the 06 can have a larger bullet than the 270win.

People have their own preference Just like Blonde, Brunette, and Redhead. I mean Hey Who am I to tell you talk is cheap Go shoot one as soon as you can.

Guarantee you'll enjoy it wither way.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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270,280 or 30-06

The 270 versus 30-06 debate has been going on since 1925. Both rounds have many fans. Both are in the top 5 big game hunting cartridges in North America. Both the 270 Winchester and the 30-06 have been used on big game around the world. Both rounds deliver enough energy at practical hunting distances to cleanly harvest all North American big game, and are sufficient for most big game anywhere.

There have been many people over the years who have claimed the 270 is better than the 30-06. They base this on personal preference, recoil, and other considerations. However, all personal opinion or preference aside, the 270 is in fact inferior to the 30-06. Necking the 30-06 down to .277 caliber produced a slightly flatter shooting, lighter recoiling round, but that is it.

Given optimal loads and bullets for both, the 30-06 delivers more downrange energy than a 270, which translates into greater killing power. Despite the fact that the 270 130 grain bullet travels faster than a handloaded 165 grain 30-06 bullet, 3150 fps for the 270 as opposed to 3000 fps for the 30-06, the 165 grain 30-06 delivers more energy at any range than that 270 bullet. Same with a 150 grain 270 and a 180 grain 30-06.

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Location: Utah
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270,280 or 30-06

I agree with the Captain:

Choosing the 270 Win or the 30-06 is a personal preference, even though the '06 is more versatile.

As far as the 280 Remington is concerned: If it was introduced a couple years earlier (which would have been a tad before the 270), the 270 Win might not have caught on like wildfire and we'd all be discussing the virtues of this fine 7mm cartridge.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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270,280 or 30-06

I nearly bought a Remington 700 BDL SS in 280 Remington. Like the regular BDL in 30-06 a little better.

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Location: Dryden, Ontario
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270,280 or 30-06

I disagree, of course the 30.06 will have more Kinetic energy with a 180gr compared to a 150gr 270. Thats common sense but with the same Bullet 150gr to 150gr there is no difference other than the 270 is slightly flatter shooting.
And also to anydisbelievers out there My 270 will shatter a bull mooses shoulder at over 150yards wit ha 150gr powerpoint.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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270,280 or 30-06

Nobody is saying what the 270 can or can't do, I am simply saying it is inferior to the 30-06, which it is.