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Location: Butte, MT
Joined: 01/02/2006
Posts: 234
1st deer w/ black powder.

I shot a little buck last weekend with my muzzleloader. That was a first and I was kinda surprised with how it turned out. I figured that with as big as the .50 cal bullets are it would knock a whitetail flat. I was wrong. I was using a 275 grain conical and it basically just poked a hole through him. Didn't expand at all like a modern bullet. I hit right behind the shoulder, but he ran about 75 yards before going down. I thought I'd missed at first, but a quick glance through my binocs and I could see a big red spot right where I had aimed.

Ultimately, he was down pretty fast, but I was wondering if a lead ball tends to expand more than a conical bullet?

It was fun. I think I'll use it more. Smoke went everywhere and the buck that I stalked to about 50 yards dropped pretty fast.

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Location: Summit, IL
Joined: 10/22/2006
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1st deer w/ black powder.

Hey Sage. Congrats on tha Deer Thumbs up I dont know the laws you have there governing smoke poles, but if they are allowed, give the TC Shockwaves a try. They are a saboted bullet. In My TC Pro hunter .50 cal, I have it dialed in with a 250g sittin on top of 120 grains of loose trip 7. Holds immaculate under MOA at 100. Hit a few deer with this bullet and it has flattened em all. Not had a deer yet go more than 25 yards with this bullet.

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Location: Summit, IL
Joined: 10/22/2006
Posts: 706
1st deer w/ black powder.

Oh yeah forgot to mention. You want to check out the twist rate on ya rifle.. If its slower that 1:48 then you wouldnt wanna try a sabot. Best rifle for a sabot is 1:32 but some will shoot at 1:48 sometimes. Kind of a crap shoot there. Part of the fun of smokepoles is finding the right load and bullet combo for your particular rifle, ya git ta SHOOT A LOT!!! Thumbs up Thumbs up

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Location: East Texas
Joined: 05/17/2007
Posts: 43
1st deer w/ black powder.

Hi Sage of the Sage........ Actually I think that's about what a conical does. I recovered a Lee REAL 320 grain bullet from a whitetail. The bullet cast at 213 grains. When I weighed the recovered bullet it still weighed 203 grains. I'm always glad to see the deer I've shot take off running straight ahead. The harder he runs the better I feel like I've hit him. After the shot if the deer should turn and go back the way he came, you are in for a lot of tracking. 9 Times out of 10 a whitetail deer hit behind the shoulder with anything will run.

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Location: Muskoka Ontario
Joined: 09/04/2007
Posts: 351
1st deer w/ black powder.

Congrats on your deer Thumbs up
I hope to get one this year with mine aswell. We got selected for a controled hunt up here ML only . I bet it was a thrill.
F.K.

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Location: Bavaria, Germany
Joined: 10/06/2007
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1st deer w/ black powder.

Hi Sage of the Sage!

Congrats and "Waidmanns Heil" from Germany!

I think it doesn't matter with what kind of gun-modern or traditional- you hit a whitetail. All hits behind the shoulder make it run, thats my expirience.

Got a nice redfox today in the morning with my Traditions Deerhunter cal.50 and a .490 PRB. Distance was 60 meters.

Regards

Kirrmeister

Location: Butte, MT
Joined: 01/02/2006
Posts: 234
1st deer w/ black powder.

Cam, sabots are illegal in Montana. I probably wouldn't use them anyway. I'm kinda old school in some regards. I want my ML to be mostly Civil War technology with which I'll have to get close. Otherwise, I'd just use my .300 Win Mag. or .243.

I've shot a lot deer through the years with a variety of rifles. .222, .243, .270, 30-30, .300 WM, and now .50 cal ML. I probably shot 5 with a .270 and 2 with a 30-30. Seems like the deer hit behind the shoulder with those calibers pretty much took a few steps and fell over. The rest they run a bit. The worst is my .300 WM. A whitetail tends to run about 100yds when shot with that. I realize the .180grn soft tips I use in the .300 is basically moose medicine and traveling so fast it really has no time to expand in the body of something deer-sized. I just had the idea that a deer shot with a .50 cal ML would seem to absorb more of the kinetic energy. The way the deer reacted was kinda unexpected. I still have a handfull of lead balls and possibility of getting another antlerless whitetail tag. I was thinking of trying that.

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Location: Summit, IL
Joined: 10/22/2006
Posts: 706
1st deer w/ black powder.

When using my Rifles I have a little rule about shot placement. With my 7mm.08 or .303 or .300wm, If under 120 yards I hit shoulder bone for maximum bone splintering. The ribs just dont offer enough resistance to really open up those rounds and deliver all the KE into the deer at short distances. Had a sporterized 8mm mauser that I hit a nice fat doe with at 40 yards or so and thought I missed. She ran about 20 yards or so TOWARDS me and stood behind a tree and then stood there!! No shake or ANYTHING. Im thinking to myself "self, you SUCK. You MISSED that deer at 40 yards!!!!" Well she stepped out and BANG... Took off...I bout wrapped that rifle around a tree. Then I went and looked where she was standing and low and behold I found all kinds of blood and hair... Found the deer about 100 yards. The first shot hit right behind the shoulder quartering away and took out the top half of the heart... Second one hit about 1 inch below the first and took out the rest of the heart. Moral of this story is this... Ya never know HOW a deer is going to react. All you can do is your best and be proficient in tracking. Sometimes they drop sometimes they run. Even with their hearts blown completely out of their chests. I personally have found that lung shots take them down a lot faster than heart shots. I guess its more shock if they cant breathe. But if you take those shoulders out they have a struggle running as well. I know its more meat damage. But most the meat rather than NONE of the meat because you couldnt find it is better in my own little opinion.

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Location: Southern Virginia
Joined: 11/02/2007
Posts: 227
I've found that black powder loads shoot through deer

I've killed quite a few with black powder over the years. A heavy, slow-moving slug will usually shoot through the deer before they know what hit them(ball or slug) Often times, folks will think they missed, but if you follow the deer, you will most likely find it, or a good blood trail. I used to own a 444 Marlin, and it did the same way. Deer would run, but not too far, before flopping over.

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Location: Summit, IL
Joined: 10/22/2006
Posts: 706
1st deer w/ black powder.

Love my .444 thats my goto weapon. Especially in the brush!!! Accurate as hell for a big boy levergun and lays a smackdown on anything it hits. Thumbs up

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